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My Portfolio Business Plan - Dividend Watcher - 05-02-2014 I've advised a lot of the new people here to develop a business plan to build your portfolio. Now that I've completed the latest revision, it's time for me to put up or shut up. I thought it would give some ideas if you're working on your own plan and I could get some feedback on things I'm missing or totally out in left field on. Feel free to add your own or some excerpts. I realize everyone's goals and methods may not be the same. Without further ado ... My Retirement Investment Business Plan This is the business plan to manage my retirement investments so that I can achieve my goals at retirement and beyond. My Goals I plan to retire at the age of 67 which is the age I can collect full Social Security benefits. However, I'd like to postpone that until I am over 70 years of age. As of August 2013, Social Security benefits are expected to be $xxxx per month at 66 years and 8 months, my full retirement age. At retirement, my income will consist of Social Security and the dividends from my retirement portfolio(s). I will retain as much capital as possible to distribute to my children. At retirement, my goals are:
Purchases These are the important criteria to consider before investing in a company:
Consider selling a portion of the investment when:
I recently added this section just as an inspiration section to keep me grounded in my thinking. I have more to add eventually but they have to be meaningful to me in some fashion to be included. Notable Quotes These are quotes I've taken from several sources that I will use to help keep me from straying from my goals.
RE: My Portfolio Business Plan - TomK - 05-02-2014 That is really great, and inspirational. Thanks Dividend Watcher! I've got a written plan, but it is generally headings and numbers, not so thoughtfully written out as this. It actually looks a little daunting to me, but I may just take a crack at something like this. I especially like how you've combined the details of a very specific plan with a sprinkling of inspiration and wisdom. My favorite line is the self-reminder: (05-02-2014, 12:50 AM)Dividend Watcher Wrote: Dividend growth investing takes time and patience to realize good results. Really nice work -- thanks for sharing it with us. RE: My Portfolio Business Plan - cannew - 05-02-2014 (05-02-2014, 12:50 AM)Dividend Watcher Wrote: Sell immediately if: It suspends or eliminates the dividend. That seems like short term thinking. Look into why they suspended or even cut the dividend. If you bought the shares after doing all the work you've outlined in your plan than don't sell without doing the same amount of work to see if the long-term outlook for the company is still good. During the 2008 crisis the Cdn banks stopped increasing their dividends, but none cut. Many had being paying and increasing their dividends since the 1800's (pretty good record). If you had owned them for many years with that type of record, would you then sell because they stopped increasing? I bought more shares and wish I had bought even more, especially when the yield went to 8% and higher (their ave yield was 3.5% to 4.5%). Every one should have a plan and yours is great but exhaustive. For me I've tried to stick with a simpler plan and for my core holdings doubt I would sell unless the company really got into trouble. RE: My Portfolio Business Plan - rnsmth - 05-02-2014 (05-02-2014, 10:40 AM)cannew Wrote:(05-02-2014, 12:50 AM)Dividend Watcher Wrote: Sell immediately if: It suspends or eliminates the dividend. There is nothing to prevent one from re-buying. My answer is yes, sell immediately on a suspension, reduction or elimination of the dividend RE: My Portfolio Business Plan - Dividend Watcher - 05-02-2014 (05-02-2014, 09:17 AM)TomK Wrote: I've got a written plan, but it is generally headings and numbers, not so thoughtfully written out as this. It actually looks a little daunting to me, but I may just take a crack at something like this. Tom, thanks for the compliments. I think everyone should have a plan that works for them. That includes knowing how you process information. For me, it's a narrative; I need to tell myself a story and, since I usually don't see anything as black & white, the narrative can get nuanced. Notice how long-winded many of my posts are? I'm also a visual learner so charts, diagrams, examples, pictures, etc. help me comprehend concepts and processes. Yeah, it's a lot of words but a lot of it I ignore until I do a review of where the portfolio stands. For example, all the preliminary stuff about retirement age, portfolio size, income stream I don't pay attention to until it's time to stop and review my progress. That's only about once or twice a year. All the stuff about fixed income is moot right now. I have no interest in fixed income at this point, especially at these levels. Maybe when I get to retirement age. A lot of the investment criteria have become second nature by now and I only glance at it when I'm wondering about a purchase. If I have a good conviction about a company, I buy if the cash is available. Same with the selling points. If bullets or lists work for you, that's fine. Sticky notes on the computer screen would suffice if that's how you normally work. I just wanted to share my plan since I exhort many others to develop their own. For a long time I had no plan -- my portfolio reflected that. (05-02-2014, 10:40 AM)cannew Wrote:(05-02-2014, 12:50 AM)Dividend Watcher Wrote: Sell immediately if: It suspends or eliminates the dividend. I think you may have misinterpreted what I wrote. "Sell immediately" is generally reserved should there be no dividend. During the Great Recession, I owned State Street Corp. (STT), one of the founding commercial banks in the U.S. I thought more of them as a custodian bank for other financial institutions, large corporations and wealthy individuals. They also had a large M&A and IPO division. I never thought they were a repository or counter-party to much of the toxic assets the money center banks were dealing with. Duh! When they announced that they dropped their dividend to a penny (essentially zero) and the stock gapped down over half their value in the first few minutes of trading, I sold immediately and moved on. I've never looked back nor regretted it. I agree, to me a freeze I can live with if the company seems to have a viable plan. GIS (in the past) and INTC (currently) both have frozen their dividend. I trimmed INTC lately because the reinvested income had caused the position to grow so large. Perhaps as I age I won't be as patient but I have a 17 year relationship with INTC. I know how ruthless their sales and technical teams can be. I may live with a small cut, again, if the company can explain why and how they're going to fix it. That's why I stated "consider" and "strongly consider" selling for a freeze or cut. There's no imperative meant yet there are still several hundred other companies on the CCC list. You have to admit, a company that has a history of regularly increasing their dividend and then cuts or eliminates it is having some serious business problems. As Ron says, you can always buy it back once things change or you have a reason to stick with them going forward. The important point, to me, is having the plan. RE: My Portfolio Business Plan - earthtodan - 05-03-2014 Thanks for posting this, it serves as a reminder to take the business plan idea off the back burner. Lots of moving parts swimming around in my head though. I do wonder about the necessity of selling a position because it becomes too much of your portfolio, in this case over 8%. Do you have a high growth expectation for any of your stocks? Actually maybe this applies more to a bear market. Let's say the market takes a serious downturn, and one of your positions becomes more than 8% by virtue of holding up the best. Do you trim it? RE: My Portfolio Business Plan - rnsmth - 05-03-2014 My plan is much less formal than that, but it works for me and I generally consider my rules to be strong guidelines rather than absolutes. Here is one example - typically I want a 3% current yield. Back in December I was looking at two cyclicals, DE and CAT. CAT's current yield at the time was 2.7%, DE's was somewhat below that, about 2.2% as I recall. Both are financially strong companies. Based on current yield and DGR's (DE's 3 year growth rate was 2 points higher). I selected CAT. I had seen a CEO interview after a poor CAT quarter and was impressed with him and the straight way he talked about the quarter and the actions CAT would take to rationalize costs, adding that when business picked up CAT would be well-positioned to grow profits. I bought on that dip, another things I like to do. I selected CAT. That has worked out well, with a 23% total return since the purchase on December 9, 2013. To me, this is particularly important give the cyclical nature of its business. It may become a core position but, again given its cyclical nature I am undecided about that. My tendency, though, is to do very little absent a threat to the dividend or the sustainability of acceptable dividend increases. RE: My Portfolio Business Plan - Be Here Now - 05-03-2014 (05-02-2014, 12:50 AM)Dividend Watcher Wrote: Sell immediately if: There is some confusion here. 'Suspend' means 'temporarily prevent from continuing or being in force or effect'. The only difference between suspension and elimination is the stated intent to rescind the suspension. In this context is does not mean 'freeze the dividend' as some commenters have interpreted it. In the context of the 2008-09 crash, I view a dividend freeze as an allowable event for a dividend growth investor, but not a dividend suspension or elimination. (05-02-2014, 12:50 AM)Dividend Watcher Wrote: Notable Quotes I have a business plan that has many elements of yours. Mine starts with notable quotes, including your second. I do not have your first but it is in many ways my guiding light. Here are some of my favorites:
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